**Next message:**Nikita Belyaev: "Re: Imaginary parts and Schouten identity"**Previous message:**Nikita Belyaev: "Re: Imaginary parts and Schouten identity"**In reply to:**Nikita Belyaev: "Re: Imaginary parts and Schouten identity"**Next in thread:**Nikita Belyaev: "Re: Imaginary parts and Schouten identity"**Messages sorted by:**[ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]**Mail actions:**[ respond to this message ] [ mail a new topic ]

Hi Nikita,

I would be willing to check everything myself, if this would be a purely

FeynCalc-related issue, but with FeynCalcFormLink you are actually using

FeynCalc as a frontend for FORM. What I mean is that the trace

calculation is done completely in FORM, while FeynCalcFormLink is just

converting the input/output between FeynCalc and FORM notations.

Since FORM is known to be very reliable on the Dirac algebra, I would be

very surprised if there is indeed a bug there.

The attached file is the code for your calculation in FORM. You can run

it via

form trace.frm

and then there is no FeynCalc involved here anywhere. In the result

there is no explicit I, because in FORM

Tr[GA[i,j,k,l].GA[5]] = 4 Eps[i,j,k,l]

So every term with an explicit e_ is imaginary.

You can also modify this code to check other traces that you computed by

hand. As I said, finding a Dirac trace related bug in FORM would be

highly improbable.

On the other hand, there are some parts of your expressions that make we

wonder. For example, some fermionic propagators come with a plus sign,

like (GS[p1]+m). Is this intended? Also (1+GA[5].GS[s]) looks a bit

weird to me, since normally I would expect to see rather

(1+GA[5]).GS[s]. If this is all correct this way, then nevermind.

Cheers,

Vladyslav

Am 28.07.2015 um 15:49 schrieb Nikita Belyaev:

*> Hi Vladyslav ,
*

*>
*

*>> actually I have some doubts that your expression should have no
*

*>> imaginary part. At least, if I look at the pieces of the imaginary >part
*

*>> that are proportional to u^3:
*

*>>
*

*>> SelectNotFree[FCE[TrA2B2], Complex];
*

*>> u3Piece = SelectNotFree[%, u^3] // EpsEvaluate
*

*>>
*

*>> -512 I u^3 SP[p1, p2] LC[][k1, k2, p, s] +
*

*>> 512 I u^3 SP[p, p2] LC[][k1, k2, p1, s] -
*

*>> 512 I u^3 SP[p, p1] LC[][k1, k2, p2, s] +
*

*>> 512 I u^3 SP[k1, p2] LC[][k2, p, p1, s] -
*

*>> 512 I u^3 SP[k1, p] LC[][k2, p1, p2, s]
*

*>>
*

*>> Schouten[%]
*

*>>
*

*>> then it is clear that they do not vanish by the Schouten identity.
*

*>
*

*> And this is exactly the thing we are worrying about. We've checked by hand that expressions with u^3 are cancelled out and there is totally no imaginary part (you also can check it by hand if you want, it isn't long calculation).
*

*>
*

*> Moreover we can provide you additional example:
*

*>
*

*> Line29:= (GS[p]-m).GA[\[Beta]1].(GS[p]+GS[p1]+GS[p2]-m).GA[\[Alpha]1].GS[k2].GA[\[Alpha]].(1-GA[5]);
*

*> Line30:= GA[\[Beta]].(GS[p2]-m).GA[\[Beta]1].(GS[p1]+m);
*

*> Line31:= GS[k1].GA[\[Alpha]1].(GS[q]-u).(1+GA[5].GS[s]).GA[\[Beta]].(GS[q]-GS[p1]-GS[p2]-u).GA[\[Alpha]].(1-GA[5]);
*

*> Line32:= (GS[p]+GS[p1]+GS[p2]-m).GA[\[Beta]].(GS[p]-m).GA[\[Alpha]1].GS[k2].GA[\[Alpha]].(1-GA[5]);
*

*> Line33:= GA[\[Beta]].(GS[p2]-m).GA[\[Beta]1].(GS[p1]+m);
*

*> Line34:= GS[k1].GA[\[Alpha]1].(GS[q]-GS[p1]-GS[p2]-u).GA[\[Beta]1].(GS[q]-u).(1+GA[5].GS[s]).GA[\[Alpha]].(1-GA[5]);
*

*>
*

*> We've calculated this term by hand and it also contains no imaginary part while FeynCalc give us the same set of it in the output as in the previous case.
*

*>
*

*> Best Regards,
*

*> Nikita Belyaev
*

*>
*

- application/vnd.ufdl attachment: trace.frm

**Next message:**Nikita Belyaev: "Re: Imaginary parts and Schouten identity"**Previous message:**Nikita Belyaev: "Re: Imaginary parts and Schouten identity"**In reply to:**Nikita Belyaev: "Re: Imaginary parts and Schouten identity"**Next in thread:**Nikita Belyaev: "Re: Imaginary parts and Schouten identity"**Messages sorted by:**[ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]**Mail actions:**[ respond to this message ] [ mail a new topic ]

*
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29
: 06/23/17-03:40:03 AM Z CEST
*